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NYC and Why We Can Never Stop

Posted by P4PO on September 2, 2018 at 8:25 PM

New guest blogger here with a very old fight that seems to refuse to die, and trust me, as a former NYC resident, it NEEDS to die. 

When we were in  the midst of the first battle with the Mayor and the nefarious NYClass, I saw with my own eyes the amazing iconic industry that makes Central Park one of the most visited areas in the state.

Every day on my walk from my apartment in Hell's kitchen, I would pass the hackline and stop and chat with the fabulous drivers as the horses waited to go to work. I ws able to witness the hellacious behaviors the anti-carriage horse zealots displayed and got involved with the fight to save the industry. We won. Or did we?

This past week we learned that DeBlasio has once again bowed to the pressures of a misinformed group of protein starved individuals and now wants to move the carriages to inside the park only.

While this is not an actual "ban" this is the beginning of slowly phasing out a much beloved part of the city. 

Our friend and champion of the industry Christina Hansen weighs in with what will happen if this goes through: 

"NYCLASS is making it seem like this is good for the horses. It’s not.

It would destroy the business at night, and/or would more or less force drivers to work the streets after 9 PM, as they are allowed to do, but most night drivers prefer to wait on 59th St where everyone knows where they are, and then do a quiet ride in the park. Put the carriages in the dark in the park with no foot traffic, and drivers will obviously go out on the streets then to look for rides after 9 PM (or all day on Sunday).

The proposed locations in the park include 2 spots on steep hills, which means the horses have to work just to keep the carriage from rolling backwards. Drivers would then need to use chocks or the brake constantly, but when the carriage moving up spots continuously, stop and start, one spot at a time, it’s more work.

Another proposed stand at Tavern On the Green is in full sun all day, while all of our current stands on 59th St are in partial shade most of the day year round.

4 of the 5 proposed locations are in spots that do not have an adjacent sidewalk. That means that potential customers must walk in the street, with bicycles and pedicabs and emergency vehicles, and are not protected by a safe curb when approaching the horses, which we all know little kids like to do. This is punishing the carriages, making the horses and their drivers inaccessible to their friends, admirers and potential customers.

(I am always more comfortable with people approaching my horse on the sidewalk than on the street, where there is no obvious safety boundary to a lay person to prevent getting stepped on or inadvertently kicked during fly swatting). The proposal is clearly designed to remove the horses and drivers from easy, safe access/approachability."

The Last Great Dane

Posted by P4PO on September 1, 2018 at 7:20 PM

The other day, Tina Fay contacted me.

She told me that HSUS plans to euthanize yet another Great Dane (HSUS assigned number and name has been redacted). This male Great Dane (#7) had begun acting out in a fearful/aggressive manner as early as September 2017, just 3 months after the raid in Wolfeboro.


Subject: RE: Follow up on #7 Great Dane

Date: August 30, 2018 9:58:43 AM

The prosecutor emailed me right after I sent you the below email. The prosecutor has been going back and forth with HSUS since yesterday morning.

They would agree to you being present at the facility per the following plan:

· You don’t object to the euthanasia request (which is obvious since we are talking about you being present for #7 Great Dane's final moments);

· The Prosecutor would be present;

· One of the defense team attorneys would be present with you;

· We are not allowed to enter the warehouse building until pre-sedative drugs are administered so that #7 Great Dane will be relaxed when we enter;

· No photos or videos will be allowed.

Essentially, what Prosecutor got the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) to agree to is the same procedure that the Prosecutor, the Superior Court Judge, and I were discussing when we met at Court for the last euthanasia request (#6 - Bam Bam,, A1-02).

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:48 AM

Subject: Follow up #7 Great Dane

Just wanted to follow up from yesterday morning.

I spoke with the Prosecutor at Court and I think he’d push for you to be present at the facility when #7 Great Dane is euthanized. He agreed with me that the argument the Judge gave the most weight to was your presence at the facility would upset the other dogs. That is no longer an argument the State can present because by the time they could foreseeably be allowed to go forward with euthanasia, #7 Great Dane would be the only dog in the warehouse building.

I know you are weighing it over, but from the photos that were attached to the motion and the fact that Nancy (3rd party) unequivocally said she would not be able to rehome him, I don’t think an objection would get anywhere with the Court.

But, the Court really struggled with the decision not to allow you at the facility last time, and I think we have a better chance of persuading the Court, or getting the State/HSUS to just agree to it, this time around.


Tina also told me that a representative from a local news outlet contacted her to ask for her response as to what was said at the "Humane Legislator of the Year Award" Ceremony held at the Conway Area Humane Society on August 30, 2018, awarded to Senator Jeb Bradley (R-Wolfeboro), and hosted by the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) of New Hampshire.

The local news outlet also asked Tina if she was aware of what was said to the attendees at this gathering by NH State Director Lindsay Hamrick and NH State Senator Jeb Bradley (R-Wolfeboro) because what was spoken was not told in a positive light about Tina Fay.

The first thing that came into my mind when Tina told me all of this was: "Why does HSUS continue to HAMMER Tina Fay? "

Superior Court Judge Amy L. Ignatius gave permanent custody of the remaining 78 Great Danes to the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) in mid-June 2018.

Why does HSUS feel compelled to contact Tina regarding this male Great Dane (#7) slated to be euthanized (killed) as soon as the judge throws down the gavel?

Is it because HSUS just feels the need to dig the knife in a bit deeper into Tina's broken heart? Perhaps HSUS "gets off" on tormenting the 'real' victims (Tina Fay and her beloved Great Danes) at every turn.

It's been nearly 15 months since the raid, and HSUS and the press continue to PUMMEL Tina Fay.

The last Great Dane euthanized by HSUS on or about July 3rd, 2018 was A1-02 fondly called Bam Bam by Tina. Bam Bam 'flipped' in early April 2018 when he attacked an HSUS contractor after TEN MONTHS of being locked up in a cage inside a warehouse.

HSUS was quick to have Bam Bam (A1-02) killed - without conducting any health testing to discount a medical issue which might have contributed to his aberrant behavior.

In the case of this male Great Dane (#7), health testing had purportedly been conducted. But of course, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) has had no intention of sharing those test results with Tina's defense team.

I guess we are supposed to take HSUS' word on blind faith that the Humane Society of the United States is being honest in its intentions and by its actions. I think NOT.

The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) is not who it 'pretends' to be. HSUS truly is a Wolf in sheep's clothing. HSUS is an extremist organization whose aim is for complete and total animal "liberation" -- no zoos, no pet ownership, no breeding, no eating or wearing of animals.

HSUS' fanatical agenda is the ultimate goal: the END (extinction) of animals through their massive spay/neuter (sterilization) campaigns and ending all breeding of animals (domestic, wild and farm).

Back to this male Great Dane (#7) who is slated to be killed by the Humane Society of the United States.

When the barrage of 80 plus people came barging into Tina's home on the day of the raid, on that fateful day -- Friday, June 16, 2017, at 8:00 o'clock in the morning, the last meal the Great Danes had had was the day before on Thursday, June 15th.

Not only to add insult to injury , but also to intensify the dramatic by making the situation more traumatic for the Great Danes, HSUS kept the Great Danes locked up inside the mansion for hours and hours (from 8:00 am to 11:00 pm'ish), renamed all of the dogs (for what reason I don't know) immediately, hauled all 75 dogs off in trailers, pulled nine (6 day old) puppies from Tina's veterinarian's office, shoved each and every Great Dane into a cage inside a warehouse with no windows (no natural light and no fresh air), and withheld food and water (per HSUS' policy no food/water for travel and new placement) until Saturday, June 17th.

Now think about that for a moment. Would you consider that 'humane' treatment? I think NOT!

On the day of the raid, the Humane Society of the United States not only renamed all of Tina's Great Danes, but they also assigned a number to each of the Great Danes, e.g. A1-02 (called Remus by HSUS) whose real name was Bam Bam.

Now here's another kicker to digest ...

When the police raid an individual, it is standard protocol to inventory and catalog all items removed.

Apparently, and for reasons I do not understand, HSUS and the prosecution NEVER gave Tina's attorneys an Inventory List of Great Danes showing the real name, the HSUS name, the HSUS assigned number and microchip of each dog.

Apparently, Wolfeboro Police, the Carroll County NH Prosecution, and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) are not required to follow standard protocols. After all, all of them are "above the law" and can do whatever they please with no oversight.

Back to the 7th Great Dane who is slated to be killed by HSUS, Tina does not know the identity of this male Great Dane because the Wolfeboro Police, the prosecution and the Humane Society of the United States have made certain from the start to keep Tina and her attorneys in the DARK in every aspect - with regard to her beloved Great Danes.

Returning back to the gathering at the festive gala at the Conway Humane Society on August 30, 2018 attended by HSUS New Hampshire followers ...

It is clear to me that whatever was said by both Senator Jeb Bradley and New Hampshire State Director Lindsay Hamrick about Tina Fay was spoken with utter contempt and hatred.

Senator Jeb Bradley boarded the HSUS 'gravy' train for the kudos, the accolades and the campaign contributions.

Did I forget to mention that that is how the Humane Society of the United States works? HSUS is really a Washington DC based political lobbyist that takes people's donations to pay executives' fat cat salaries and pay off (political contributions) politicians, like Senator Jeb Bradley of New Hampshire, to introduce new legislation against animal owners.

And as for New Hampshire HSUS State Director Lindsay Hamrick. Lindsay has been clawing her way up the Animal Rights ranks for years now. Just like the non-profit HSUS, which really operates as a for profit corporation, whom she works for ... this is NOT about animal welfare.

For Lindsay Hamrick and for the Humane Society of the United States, this is about MAKING MONEY (through cost of care legislation and retail rescue reselling animals) and TAKING AWAY (through legislation) 'human' rights to own, breed and use animals in animal enterprise businesses.

The Humane Society of the United States operates each and every animal raid and the aftermath with the same modus operandi -- 'manipulate' and 'control' - and seemingly the prosecutors and the judges buy into the lie and give HSUS carte blanche to behave in any way it pleases.

The victims in this tragedy are Tina Fay and her beloved Great Danes.

Why Isn't It Abuse When The H$U$ does it?

Posted by P4PO on June 24, 2018 at 10:30 AM


The media has been against Tina from the very beginning, ever since the H$US released pictures and their narrative, the media has fallen for everything they have been told. Most people reading about Tina blindly accepted that the media and H$U$ were telling the truth because in this day and age if it’s on the Google or FaceSpace it’s true! Today we are going to look at how easily the H$U$ deceives people.

It's been awfully hot and humid out the last few days so I've been spending my time inside, under the AC. I’ve been going picture by picture through every picture the Humane Society of the United States took at Tina's house the day of her raid. I have seen them before but it's been a while, so I really wanted to refresh my memory after the final sentencing. The first picture I came across shows how deeply the H$U$ loves dogs.


It's interesting to really look at the photos because there's so many details that I noticed as a dog person. Toys everywhere, dogs hanging out, and muddy kennels. It could have been anyone of my breeder friend’s homes on a rainy summer morning. The mud was simply because it was raining the day of the raid and the dogs that were out in it were out voluntarily. They did have places to go inside to get out of the rain if they chose. The inside kennels, some obviously in the middle of being cleaned, some with fresh shavings, were available to the dogs. There were plenty of clean, unopened shavings there as well. Now, I have no intention of lying or writing any half-truths. There are some pictures that really don't look good, which I expected. I mean, it’s really looking like Marilyn Kelly was definitely a plant and Annie Rose Newell, the teen who “worked” for one day was a naive pawn. I don’t blame Annie Newell at all for being easily led by others. From what I am told she is a very nice, shy young woman, and like any other older teen she wanted to be a part of something and was easily manipulated. Tina had very little help for the month leading up to the raid, even though she thought she did. Someone close to Tina messaged the FB page recently and told us they thought that with Tina being in as much pain as she was with her knee, that Tina couldn’t get around well enough to check everything on a daily basis. I have run businesses my entire life and sometimes when I am sick, I must trust that the people who work for me are actually doing their job. Tina had an injury and had to trust that Marilyn was doing her job, which she obviously wasn’t. Why didn’t Marilyn ask for help from people volunteering at Conway Area Humane Society? If she cared about the dogs, she would have sought legitimate help. Of course she wasn’t there to help and really doesn’t care about the dogs at all.

The blame isn’t all on one person though. I know there were people who call themselves Tina’s friends who were in and out of Tina’s house in May, yet did nothing to help, but that’s a blog for a different day.

You know who had enough volunteers and staff to make sure all the dogs were taken care of 100% every day? The H$U$, that’s who, but as you will see in the following photos (The H$U$’s own) that they didn’t bother to hold themselves to the same standard they were trying to hold Tina to. Because when a breeder does something it is abuse, yet when the H$U$ does worse it's because they care. 

Obviously the Humane Society of the United States does not follow that tenet in the slightest. As you will see here there are dogs that looked in much healthier condition before the H$U$ got their hands on them. I picked the easiest pictures to see injuries etc that happened in the “care” of the H$U$ employees even under the watchful eye of 2 vets, Dr. Sarah Proctor and Dr. Monique Kramer.

In this picture you can see clearly that the dogs “Happy Tail” was healing. There’s no open wound and hair is starting to come back.


In this picture, after being in the care of the H$U$ for two days the end of the tail is split open, bleeding and the hair is starting to fall out.



In this picture you can see blood on the wall from the dog’s tail, just like they said happened at Tina’s home. The incredible hypocrisy exhibited here is nothing short of spectacular. It’s a fact that as Tina was taken away she was still trying to get the H$U$ people to listen to here about medicine for the dogs. Did the H$U$ wait to give medicine until after they took pictures in the warehouse? Did they even bother to listen? Note the date is 6/18/17 two days after the raid. 


This is a dog who’s pictures really got me. While taking pictures at Tina’s you can see no blood on the dog. Once in the crate, well… See for yourselves.


I can’t write about this much more, my blood pressure is beyond sky high but here’s one more comparison. The puppy’s eyes are fine in this picture, probably because either it was totally healthy, or the infection was being treated.


Two days later we have runny clearly infected eyes. 



Then there was this gem of an evidence photo taken on 6/18/17. Yes, it’s a tick. Oh no, not a tick, in New England in the late spring!!! It’s not only a tick, it’s a tick that has NOT been attached for two days feeding on blood. It’s probably something brought in by a volunteer or staff member. Yet H$U$ used it as evidence of neglect. W.T.F?


This really, really bothers me. Like beyond all reason. What pictures was the jury shown of these three dogs? How about the media? I am willing to bet they were not allowed to see that these dogs and others deteriorated after being with the H$U$ for just a day or two. 


Just Some Facts

Posted by P4PO on June 22, 2018 at 7:10 PM

New blog by Nadine our newest blogger <3 

I’m still reeling over Judge Amy Ignatius’ decision to give all of Tina Fay’s Great Danes to H$U$ - the very people who have warehoused them for over a year. I came to this late so I went back to look at H$U$’ claims again. Being a Husky gal myself I was not familiar with a lot of the ailments that they mentioned so I set off to do some research. 

The first one that was brought up quite a bit is something called “cherry eye”. These made for some very sensational pictures, and admittedly is a little creepy looking. Turns out this not uncommon or life threatening, and in fact at least one dog was scheduled for surgery (you have to assume the $25-$30k per month Tina spent at the vet was not just for rabies shots).

So, what did I learn?.......

What is Cherry Eye anyway? First, there is a real medical name if you want to do your own research - Prolapsed nictitating membrane gland or PNMG. When the tear gland flips upward (prolapses) out of its normal position under the eyelid and becomes inflamed, the pink, bulbous protrusion is what results at the corner of the eye, descriptively referred to as a “cherry eye.”

Cherry Eye or PNMG, a disorder of the nictitating membrane (NM), is also called the third eyelid.

Cherry eye is most often seen in young dogs under the age of two, however it can occur at any age. And according to a retrospective study of 155 cases in 2012, the five breeds that were most commonly affected by this bilateral condition are: French Bulldog, Shar Pei, Great Dane, English Bulldog and Cane Corso's.

Cherry Eye in dogs is not a life threatening condition, but if left untreated can cause your dog eye problems later on. The importance of the third eyelid is to give added protection to the dog's eyes.

According to ASPCA, Pet Insurance claims data indicate the most common dog illnesses are eye infections, gastroenteritis, cancer, skin infections, and ear infections. With one of the prevalent eye-related dog illnesses being cherry eye.

Other sources also say that the surgery is not a guarantee the cherry eye will not return. Sometimes, the membrane or "third eyelid" becomes dislodged again and the surgery must be repeated. This tells me that Tina could have also already had the procedure performed, and we know that she had at least one surgery already scheduled when the dogs were ripped from their home.

So how much is this surgery? Based on my research the amount can vary widely. The exam itself is around $150-$200 with the surgery starting at around $250, going up from there, some report spending over $1,000 in extreme cases. Of course H$U$ had medical services donated. I wonder if H$U$ is asking Tina to pay for donated medical services – it’s not like they were required to submit receipts for the outrageous amount they asked for – and for which they were rewarded.

So what does this tell me? 

 This is NOT a case of abuse or neglect, just an unfortunate but common occurrence.

 Tina could have already had surgery performed on some of the affected dogs.

 Interestingly dogs have 3 eyelids.

 H$U$ and the media, as always, are just looking for what they can sensationalize.

Red eyes are still creepy looking – no matter what the cause or species

Now off to research Happy Tail and Papilloma’s Virus.

Why won't some shelters just do the right thing?

Posted by P4PO on June 18, 2018 at 7:15 PM

Shame on Miami-Dade Animal Services (MDAS), they had a chance to do the right thing yet chose not to. This is why shelters and rescues are coming under fire so often these days. It used to be that a shelter would find a stray, try super hard to find the owner, send the dog home, happy ending time. Not in these modern times though. That’s just not how many shelters and rescues work these days and it’s not just sad - it’s sick.

What is going on with MDAS in the last two days is a perfect example of why so many people who love animals are becoming disenchanted with rescues and shelters across the country. This story is developing even as I type, so keep an eye on the P4 page for updates.


Basically what happened is two dogs got loose and ran away. Sadly, one was hit by a car and killed. The other one, a stunning Afghan Hound bitch named Baby was picked up and brought to MDAS. The owner and friends had been frantically posting on all the local pages, getting flyers made etc, when someone spotted the post by MDAS saying that Baby (who the shelter named Melody) was available for adoption on June 21, 2018. The owner promptly went to MDAS with all the paperwork, AKC papers, vet info, etc. The shelter staff took the papers out back, then after a while came back and told the owner it wasn’t their dog, that the microchip didn’t match. Now, that may work with a Yellow Lab, but this is an Afghan with distinct markings and you don’t generally find the breed running amok in Miami. The chances of the bitch being a different Afghan are the same as my chances of being the goalie on the winning World Cup team, .00000000000000000000000001%.


This is the screenie of the shelters post, which I think is taken down, or I may be blocked.




This is the screenie from a friend of the owner on a local group


Here are some screenies of the post where the shelter tries to backpedal but gets called out. I am SO VERY PROUD of all the people standing together against this theft!



I am hoping this story ends on a happy note and the shelter does the right thing, but I am NOT holding my breath.

Tina's Final Sentencing

Posted by P4PO on June 16, 2018 at 5:55 PM

Thank you everyone for your patience. This week has been a roller coaster of emotions waiting for sentencing. We have a new guest blogger this week, Nadine, who managed to slip into court so she could give us a first-hand account of what happened.


Thursday, June 14th was the continuance of the May 11th sentencing of Christina Fay. People entered the courthouse on a warm sunny day. Prosecutor Steven Briden looking a bit like a bindle stiff wearing a characteristically ill fitting suit, his 3 chins all aquiver with his righteous indignation.


The day started with #shityoucantmakeup. Tina’s attorney, who was to argue her case, was caught in flight delays and cancellations and was not able to be at court. Tina’s other attorneys were given very short notice, just hours, that they would need to ask for a continuance. But all the lawyers knew there was little chance of that happening, and that a different lawyer would most likely argue the case. As everyone suspected the continuance was denied – and frankly Tina didn’t want any delays in her dogs going from that warehouse to homes.


Tina’s attorneys began by sharing with the judge that rescues were posting online, some admittedly HSUS rescue partners, that they were asked to be there on the 15th of June to pick up dogs. As we shared earlier, some even knew what dogs they were getting (you can read a little about that here A friend of Tina’s told us how distraught Tina was over her dogs being put in stock trailers and shipped all over the country. So our best guess is she insisted the attorney start with this. Of course with the gaggle of attorneys HSUS had, they knew better than to post that information until the judge made her announcement. Too bad they forgot to tell their rescue partners not to say anything about it until AFTER the judge announced what was to happen to the dogs. (I say announced, not ruled, because it still seemed like a foregone conclusion.)

The judge did say more than once that there would be no trailers pulling up to the warehouse to pick up these dogs. We’ll discuss the rehoming in just a bit.


The first item they addressed was the disposition of the dog who allegedly bit an HSUS contractor. Attorney Jeremy Cohen asked that this dog be given to Tina for evaluation and rehabilitation, if needed. Although the judge did not allow for an evaluation, or that Tina get this dog, she did grant the Defense's request that Tina be present when HSUS kills another one of her dogs. Okay, so she didn’t say it just like that, and I don’t really think you can call a dog being euthanized based on HSUS' word alone a win, but the judge did grant the Defense's request and asked that the State work things out and make it possible for Tina to be present.



On May 11th, Judge Ignatius sentenced Tina to 12 months (for misdemeanors with no priors) with 9 months to be suspended. At that time Kent Barker, one of Tina’s attorneys, asked how this would benefit anyone and asked that she reconsider. The judge asked the Defense to come back in June with a plan for counseling and she would consider suspending another 60 days, but that Ms. Fay would have to spend at least 30 days incarcerated.

When the judge asked why no plan had been submitted for counseling, Attorney Kent Barker started by telling the Court what a private person Tina was, and based on the media coverage to this point that they could get no assurances that this would stay private. He went on to tell her about just some of Tina’s day to day responsibilities. I would never have mentioned this, but it’s been reported by more than one media source. Tina’s responsibilities (this information was presented at different times):

1- One of Tina’s sons requires 3-5 phone calls a day to and from Tina. He is diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder and a cognitive impairment delay as well as a very serious blood clotting problem. Tina’s son had been hospitalized 3 times in the past 8 weeks, had had emergency surgery, and had been in the ICU for days at a time. He would literally be homeless in a day without any daily intervention and support by Tina. He MUST take medication daily or he could likely develop clots in his liver and abdomen again. Tina must call him and see to it that he takes it daily. Generally every 3 weeks he is actively suicidal. If Tina were not able to communicate with him daily, the outcome would most likely be devastating. If Tina were to go to jail, she would need to find some help for him in her absence – and we know the luck she’s had with hired help.

2- Her daughter is bipolar and is not medicated. She has a 1 year old baby and lives in a shelter in NYC. Other issues are suspected. She, too, requires cash for her almost daily crises. Again, Tina would need to arrange for support for her, too.

3- Tina also had another son who recently died. His widow now has a newborn baby, and without a family, Tina is her emotional and financial support.

4- And of course the one beloved elder dog Betta, with health conditions that lives with Tina.

 The judge’s ice cold heart broke just a little. And the newspapers had it correct when they said there was a gasp in the courtroom when she announced her sentencing. She conditionally waived ALL jail time and asked for twice monthly counseling with a report sent privately to the Court of Tina’s meaningful participation. Shockingly (by that I mean to nobody’s surprise) the State argued against this. This seemed like a big win by the attorneys, but Tina has little regard for what happens to her – caring only for her dogs and what is left of her family.

Interesting note: When the Defense brought up the fact that there was no jail time in the original trial, the judge said that this was a completely new trial and nothing from the previous could be considered. In May, the judge made the comment that she wasn’t buying this was a “perfect storm”. Kent Barker used this term in the first trial only - so are we to believe she didn’t talk to the other judge or read transcripts?


The rehoming is very difficult to write about. The State ordered that HSUS get possession of all of the dogs and rehome them through their wide array of partners. The Defense had a neutral third party selected with neither Tina’s nor the HSUS' input, and asked that the dogs be rehomed in the Northeast and not be subject to being transported across the country. The Defense did not present the fact that HSUS rescue partners from the South were the ones presented in the opening, and proof that thousands of dogs were sent from the South to the Northeast every year from overcrowded Southern rescues. Sadly, the Defense could not present again that there have been 31 qualified homes waiting for these dogs since last year.

The judge ordered that ALL BUT 2 DOGS BE TURNED OVER TO HSUS for placement (the 2nd dog was taken back on Stay for Appeal). She went on to say that there would be no wholesaling or profiting as the Defense pointed out that was their intent. This is where she mentioned again that trailers would not be pulling up to take the dogs away, and indicated to me (need transcript to be sure) that they would not leave the warehouse until they had individual homes to go to. There was no mention about this of current purported warehouse violations.

The one piece of good news is that it was ordered the dogs we have been showing on the TRIAGE LIST NOT BE EUTHANIZED. If after 3 months there are dogs they have not been able to rehome, the Court would need to address this.


At this hearing Tina’s attorneys asked for 3 things and it’s yet to be seen if she will see any of them.

1- All FCI and AKC registration papers - originals. Biden said the evidence could be released, but it sounded like they might not have much.

2- All custom leather collars and leashes. Tina had these made for each dog, and kept them whenever she lost a dog.

3- Necropsy report on Bruno (H1-03), the 5th dog who died on May 3rd, 2018 that she still does not have. The State argued that this is not as simple as an autopsy and can take months. The judge chose to believe that.


I’m still trying to figure out how the restitution could be just justified. The court ordered that Tina pay the Town of Wolfeboro $12k and pay HSUS $1.9 MILLION plus. There were no allowance to deduct from this restitution amount for donations of: food equipment, money and medical services donated specifically for the Danes or the money gained with Tina’s dogs from advertising. The judge would also not take into consideration that everything was taken from Tina’s home in Wolfeboro - even toilets. We shared Trent Loos’ video of the house with one bedframe and one dresser left remaining inside the home, period. She wanted the baby blanket for the son whom I had mentioned earlier who recently died to be sent to his child. Those and other personal mementos cannot be replaced by any amount of money.

When all was said and done, a reporter approached Tina leaving the courtroom and asked how she felt. After Tina told them that she “felt gutted", this bright little reporter intelligently asked Why?" Personally I would have wanted to punch the little girl. But Tina as she walked down the steps, turned, and in a pained voice, said “I’ve lost everything I love – everything”!

As people walked out of the courthouse, it was like mother nature knew something bad had happened and there was suddenly a chill in the air.

I’m sure Tina is trying to figure out how to cope with this loss of her beloved dogs. But while she is processing, we need keep in mind that this is NOT THE END OF THE STORY. I know now that the animals are gone, we will lose support on this page. Tina needs people's support more than ever now, and we need to remember that this is a fight for more than just Tina. It's a fight for citizens' basic Constitutional rights and animal ownership rights in the United States.

Who's really pulling the strings in New Hampshire?

Posted by P4PO on June 11, 2018 at 6:30 PM

Master of puppets;
 I’m pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams

Blinded by me, you can’t see a thingJust call my name, ‘cause I’ll hear you scream, Master, Master, Master, Master of Puppets. 

"OMG, but she had like 84 dogs"! That in a nutshell is why so many people are against Tina Fay and is just about the first thing anyone says to me when we are talking about her and her dogs. 

So what? Yeah, Tina Fay had more dogs than some people think she should have. I am NOT going to rehash everything here and now because all the blogs can be found here at P4PO’s website, so take some time to read!!!

When it comes down to it I couldn’t own 84 dogs. I don’t think I could handle 4 to be honest. What I can handle isn’t what is important here because (sigh) it’s not always all about me. Tina had full time help and people to care for her dogs up until May of 2017. After May 2017 Tina had a loyal employee and 2 that did nothing but take pictures while they were supposed to be working. So yeah, Tina had more dogs than “normal” and people are losing their minds over it.

Growing up I was surrounded by dogs. My grandparents on my dads side raised English Setters and English Springer Spaniels for hunting, field trials and shows. The kennels easily housed more than 100 dogs and were managed by a full time kennel manager, a trainer and a couple of part time helpers. Back in the day this was actually the norm for kennels. This was before the AR came through and dictated to us all the amount of dogs we “should” own. It was also before the AR fed us all the BS lies that the less a person breeds the better a breeder they are.

Why am I bringing this up now? I’ll tell you.

I am blogging this now because this week is the final sentencing for Tina. The H$U$ is starting a huge push on social media and trying to get it’s followers all worked up and over emotional to drive their donations even higher. As a bonus, H$U$ is also pushing their sheeple (followers) to show up at court to show support for the H$U$ (harass Tina).


Ever since the defeat of SB-569 the H$U$ has been seething and whining about losing. It’s no coincidence that people who actively opposed the bill are getting strange phone calls asking questions about puppies and breeding. People have even gotten calls on numbers never used for advertising puppies leading me to think that H$U$ is simply googling the names on the sign in sheets from the legislative sessions. At least 3 people have come forward having been warned by their local ACO’s that the state director for the H$U$ (Lindsay Hamrick) asked them to gather info on breeders. This is the H$U$ after all. The organization that showed up at someone’s house the Monday after that person supported Tina at court. The H$U$ has zero scruples and a great love of money which is a very dangerous combination.


I really wonder what sort of hold the H$U$ has on prosecutor Steven Briden to make him do as they say even when it’s not in the best interest of the people who live in New Hampshire. What sort of hold does H$U$ lawyer Leana Stormont have on prosecutor Steven Briden? Why can’t Steven Briden think for himself and follow the law? Did Leana weave some sort of spell over Steven?

Maybe there is no spell, maybe Steven Briden simply lacks conviction to do the right thing and enjoys being damned with faint praise by the H$U$. We here at P4PO just hope that Judge Amy Ignatius does the right thing and follows the law NOT the H$U$. As Judge Ignatius has a B.A. in American history, we hope that she wants to be on the right side of history, not the H$U$'s side. 

H$U$ New Hire?

Posted by P4PO on June 9, 2018 at 7:00 PM

Looks like the Humane Society of the United States might have a new employee.

While sipping adult beverages and watching the build up to the Belmont I decided to search Facebook a little bit and see if there was any new chatter about Tina and the Great Danes. Well, was I shook after the first 5 minutes. It appears that the H$U$ has hired a Fortune Teller and can see that they will win the rehoming of the dogs on Thursday June 14, 2018. A fan of the Great Dane page sent us a picture of someone they claim is said Fortune Teller and I think she looks a bit like Leana Stormont, the lawyer for the H$U$.

Here is a rumored picture of the Fortune Tellers minions


Here are the screenshots of various rescue groups preparing to pick up the Great Danes on June 15th.



I wonder if Judge Amy Ignatius made a backdoor deal with prosecutor Steven Briden and the H$U$ or if Leana is truly psychic. Why are these groups so sure of getting Tina’s dogs? Did Judge Amy Ignatius OK the deal? Is this proof that Tina can not get fair treatment in New Hampshire, even after she's paid her lawyers thousands of dollar to draft a rehoming proposal - the one that Judge Ignatius asked for?

We Get It Done!

Posted by P4PO on June 8, 2018 at 8:45 AM

We here at People for Pet Ownership wanted to share some good news! We shared a very scary story yesterday about the professional dog show handler’s van that was stolen with 14 dogs. It was found this morning after an anonymous tip and air surveillance.

All the dogs were found safe and alive. Let me repeat that: SAFE AND ALIVE!! We are relieved and many of us ugly cried getting the news. It was amazing how the dog community came together. Show people, breeders, pet owners, rescue organizations and people who just plain love dogs. Social media got the word out, across the county people notified area vets, stores, shelters, kennel clubs. Over 75,000 shares in less than 24hrs. The reward started at $2,000 and in less than 24hrs went up to $30,000. People were jumping in to help even if they never were going to see any of that money.

This is what we do, when we, a dog community stand up and come together. We get things done. We put all differences aside and unite. It is refreshing to see the warriors stand true.

Speaking of warriors, we need to give a HUGE shout out to the following groups that made this miraculous recovery. Redding, CA Police department for being so vigilant and listening to all information. They kept the hope alive. California Highway Patrol were the ones who used air surveillance that ultimately found the van in a secluded wooded area.

We want to offer a suggestion to help thank them. They have a canine unit that looks like they have a DONATE page:

Another huge shout out to Haven Humane Society. They stepped up, were on scene to retrieve the dogs and to provide immediate care. The dogs were brought to their facility to get a vet checkup. AND THEN THEY RELEASED THE DOGS TO THEIR OWNERS! How often are we saying that shelters hold onto purebred dogs because they have certain notions about show dogs. But not Haven Humane. Thank you for being part of our dog community.

We would like to offer to donate directly to Haven Humane Society to if you can:

When all was said and done we ended with 14 alive and grateful dogs, their smiles say it all.


Money for Nothing

Posted by P4PO on May 30, 2018 at 9:55 PM

Money for Nothing

It seems like not a day or two goes by without someone, somewhere trying to take over the dogs in Tina Fay’s case.

Last week we wrote this blog about someone placing the dogs and no sooner does the drama die down there but we learn about Melissa Horn, a Siamese Cat breeder from Pennsylvania (sorry not the Swedish pop star) who is working with “Someone” to place Tina’s dogs. Now everyone wants to see the dogs in good homes, but I want to see who is going to argue in front of a judge (the person who actually gets to make the decision) that a cat breeder is the most qualified to find appropriate homes for giant breed dogs.

Melissa first posted in April of 2018, which, coincidentally is when the warehouse the dogs are in was listed as being for lease.

Yesterday a new post started making the rounds which made all of us at P4PO raise our eyebrows

People made inquiries via Facebook and when they asked questions were met with thinly veiled hostility as well as Vaguebooking of an epic nature.

Phone calls to Melissa were treated the same way as PM’s; shady, sketchy and just plain weird.

It seems that a lot of people are trying to take advantage of this situation because they see it as a way to make some easy money. Shame on all of you who are doing this and care more about money. $500 a pop for some facebook posts seems like good money to me.

Please note: NO ONE has any authority to move or place these dogs until the court makes a decision on June 14th. The “helpers” as they refer to themselves as, appear to be nothing more than opportunists - con artists that show up at funerals like ghouls and take advantage of the family members. Guess what - no one has died and TINA has not given authority to ANYONE to do anything with the dogs.

SO-- if anyone else comes forward with an offer to do anything with these dogs , please do not share-- do not engage -- do not pay $500. Know that it is fake news so to speak--- and we all know what we think of those that spread it.